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January  19

One Adam 12 - We Have A Cell Phone User

Images_1Crime maybe down in Baristaville, but mild mannered commuters would be felons are riding causing havoc riding on DeCamp buses. A tipster tells the tale:

My son had to come home from school sick on Tuesday, so I took the 12:35 pm NY bound DeCamp bus from Watchung Plaza, a rare event as I'm a happy train rider. Moments after taking my seat, my cell phone rings  -- once. It's my wife with an update on my son. That's when the bus driver starts yelling at me to turn it off. "Sorry, my son's at home sick and it's my wife calling. This is my first offense," I pleaded, as I ended the call. "Sir, your gonna have to hang up."  So, I inquired: "And If I didn't hang up, what would happen?". "I would stop the bus, radio the base, they would dispatch the police and you would be taken off the bus. "And what would I be charged with?" Driver: "I don't make the rules. If you gotta problem, call the office." At which time a chorus of riders chimed in: "His kid is sick, for God's sake, let him talk". "The rule is so arbitrary." "People having conversations are louder than most cell phone calls." "Cell phone are bad for people with pacemakers."

The reader's kid is fine, but he tells us he's in no great hurry to hop on the DeCamp bus again...

So can the cops really arrest cell phone abusers? Baristanet contacted Montclair Deputy Chief of Police Perry T. Mayers to ask what would happen. Well, listen up DeCamp: "There are no laws against talking on cell phones on buses. That is strictly a DeCamp company policy, which we would take no part in enforcing," said Mayers.

January 19, 2006 in Sheesh! | Permalink

Comments

A pox on DeCamp and its insipid bus drivers!

How about the offenses DeCamp commits everyday? They are late more often then they are on time, the reading lights often don't work, the drivers bark at you for asking questions, buses are often overcrowded...and we pay for all of this. Does this make us masochists?

Posted by: Miss Martta (8T) | Jan 19, 2006 9:07:08 AM

New Jersey's version of civility in action.

What did they ever choose for our final state slogan? At the time I was back in St Louis, where people still treat each other courteously.

Posted by: crank | Jan 19, 2006 9:17:33 AM

how about the decamp bus i was on last night that tailgated a driver down grove street at about 20 mph over the limit and then had to SLAM on his brakes when he saw the Montclair PD cruiser inching out of a side street a few blocks ahead?

Posted by: drob | Jan 19, 2006 9:17:46 AM

decamp's cell phone rules are stupid and horrible. they deserve to lose business for the utterly obnoxious way they tried to "enforce" this ban.

When did a bus ride entitle you to live in a cone of serene silence?

Let's just all use common sense!

A quiet and DISCREET conversation to let a spouse or child know you are late (as is usual with decamp), or to check on a sick family member should be no problem! why not just ban "LOUD and disruptive" cell phone calls and live conversations that disturb others..

Anyway, this is a "request" not a state LAW! Next time, call the driver's total BLUFF and suggest that he pull over and call the cops! He may be the one who ends up in trouble, for threatening actions against you. any lawyers out there to let us know if there are laws against such threats? civil rights?

i too hate loud talkers, we ALL do! but it's one thing to to "suggest" a policy that people refrain from cell phone use, but another to thuggishly enforce it.

there are many emergencies or situations for people when a quick call is necessary. ESPECIALLY working moms and dads, but really anyone who is LATE either getting to work or getting home because of traffic, weather, or other bussing nightmares.

i don't ride the bus, but have "decamped" often in the past. decamp needs to learn that baristaville is a place where plain 'ol common sense has not yet been replaced by blind obedience to dictatorial drivers. *snap*

Posted by: jessica | Jan 19, 2006 9:31:17 AM

But, shouldn't their be a law? I am sure that some find other's talking on cell phones in public places as offensive as smoking. (There seems to be no shortage of offense-taking in Baristaville, to be sure).

Why not? Let's have a law. The comfort of the other riders must be protected, no?

In fact, perhaps the township needs an on-staff, world-class, Public-Cell-Phone-Use Outreach Coordinator. That would be nice!

Posted by: Right of Center™ (8T) | Jan 19, 2006 9:37:02 AM

p.s.

How's about some civil disobedience? Anyone? On some certain day, at some certain time we could all ride DeCamp and use our phones and refuse to get off and call their bluff!

Who's with me?

Posted by: Right of Center™ (8T) | Jan 19, 2006 9:39:38 AM

I would love that, ROC!

Posted by: Miss Martta (8T) | Jan 19, 2006 9:44:02 AM

ROC, name the time and place and I will do my best to get there.

Posted by: State Street Pete | Jan 19, 2006 9:50:40 AM


Me too, I love a protest against "the Man".

Posted by: The Iceman (8T) | Jan 19, 2006 9:54:06 AM

yikes did I say "shouldn't thier be a law..?" yikes.

Posted by: Right of Center™ (8T) | Jan 19, 2006 10:02:41 AM

Boy, I'd hate to play Stasi member to fellow trolls and nice liberals like State Street, but given the things I've been forced to overhear while on buses and trains (not to mention elsewhere), I'd likely help drag them off for cell phone offenses.

The opening tale recounted above is admittedly one that merits brief exception to the "De Camp rule," but in general I'm not bothered in the least by a damping of cell phones.

Just the automatic opening of cell phones at 8:52 as the NJT bus pulls into Port Authority and 25 or more riders feel the necessity to call their office and announce where they are and how long they estimate it'll now take them to make it to the office, yes, you "protesters," I could live without that. Too often, I suspect, cells are used as a means of affirming one's emotional importance to others. Of standing out from the crowd even if it means telling the crowd the obvious, that one is in line with them, say, at Rite-Aid.

Posted by: cathar (8T) | Jan 19, 2006 10:07:03 AM

Jessica, yours is most reasonable approach -- I'm with you.

Posted by: Skippy | Jan 19, 2006 10:10:19 AM


Perhaps there should be buses desginated for cell phone users and non-cell phone users.

There are some DeCamp riders who value the quiet and silence of a bus ride without the use of cell phone conversations.

And yes DeCamp as a carrier has the right to establish rules and codes of conduct for its riders.

And yes it is time for the 'empowered' DeCamp commuters to show some respect for their fellow riders and obey the bus company's posted rules and not use their cell phones.

If you havent noticed users of cell phone usually talk LOUDER than a person to person conversation on the bus.

So the bottom line is OBEY THE BUS RULES!

Posted by: Franklin | Jan 19, 2006 10:12:47 AM

The true problem is that politeness is a lost quality in this day and age. The polite thing to do is to refrain from idle chat on the phone on the bus. Put the phone on vibrate. Speak softly and not loudly.

I actually think the problem is technological. If one could hear oneself in one's ear (like on a normal phone) I'd bet people wouldn't yell into the things.

Posted by: Right of Center™ (8T) | Jan 19, 2006 10:13:38 AM

I thought y'all 8T folks were the conservatives? Now you want to protest against a small business which represents "The Man?" Maybe you should rethink:

DeCamp's rules are an implicit private contract you make when you buy a ticket -- if you don't like the rules, find another way to travel. As a conservative, I support the right to private contracts without government interference.

Now, as a customer, I think their service is often pretty bad, but I do like the quiet...

Posted by: DavidG | Jan 19, 2006 10:15:50 AM

Franklin, in fact they don't usually talk louder. The reason cell phone talkers are so annoying is because there's something disconcerting about hearing half a conversation--it's as though your brain wants to fill in the other half. That's what makes cell talkers so hard to ignore.

ROC, you seem to be exhorting the crowd to behave like idiotic liberals, when in fact everybody is toeing your line, namely that the free-market should decide, if you don't' like it don't ride the bus, etc.

Posted by: walleroo | Jan 19, 2006 10:19:33 AM

texting is also a nice painless way to communicate important information. it let's you use the cellphone but not violate any bans. just a thought.

Posted by: i'm fran, dammit | Jan 19, 2006 10:22:19 AM

Here's an idea - next time sit in the back of the bus, silence your phone's ringer ( put it on vibrate ) , and just talk very softly when responding to a call.

Screw DeCamp - their service attitude stinks, especially their rude home office dispatchers. I can't wait for weekend train service to start.

Posted by: Dee Kamp | Jan 19, 2006 10:30:20 AM

The veil of the Temple (the one in Jersualem, not the place where they'll soon cut hair) has been rent. Walleroo used the phrase "idiotic liberals."

Posted by: cathar (8T) | Jan 19, 2006 10:30:41 AM

As distinct from "intelligent liberals".

Posted by: walleroo | Jan 19, 2006 10:34:42 AM

Seriously, with the Direct Line, why hasn't DeCamp gone out of business yet? As the Fatima Mansions said: "Only losers take the bus."

Posted by: Rchanin ([4*2]+[D*E]) | Jan 19, 2006 10:40:51 AM

Sorry, walleroo, but distinctions often blur into each other.

Posted by: cathar (8T) | Jan 19, 2006 10:41:28 AM


when driving shouldn't one employ all of their five senses to ensure safe travel-hearing is an especially important "sense" to utalize while behind the wheel-Why shouldn't the driver who has the responsibility to make safe passage for all the occupants be allowed to dictate his need for sheer safety's sake?

Posted by: cstarling | Jan 19, 2006 10:42:09 AM

I am heartened by the fact that all of these De Camp miscreants will be out looking for new jobs before too long, god willing. Angry, aggressive, stupid morons. Yes, there are a few exceptions. But not many.

Posted by: montclair_is_crazy | Jan 19, 2006 11:10:33 AM

"Angry, aggressive, stupid morons."


Perfect prerequisites for finding a job as a NJ bus driver elsewhere.

Posted by: Miss Martta | Jan 19, 2006 11:17:49 AM

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