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November 20, 2005 in The Daily Chat | Permalink


What is going on with the Giants? I cuss at the tv, throw pillows around the room and pace back and forth...is this supposed to be fun? I need another adult beverage!

Posted by: The Iceman | Nov 20, 2005 2:24:09 PM

Iceman take your mind off the Giants and focus on two great Republicans: Hyde and Weldon.

Friday, because of Representative Murtha, Congress finally debated the Iraq war -- something it should have done before we went to war there.

Two senior Republicans, Henry Hyde of Illinois and Curt Weldon of Pennsylvania (who is spearheading the Able Danger investigation in hopes of discrediting the Kean 9/11 Committee member Jamie Gorelick who worked in the Pentagon Clinton administration), rose in defense of Murtha.

"I give him an A-plus as a truly great American," said Hyde.
Curt Weldon, who believes the U.S. must stay in Iraq as a show of strength, supported Murtha in his frustration over waiting 'five months to get a response' from the White House to requests for information about U.S. President George W. Bush's long-term Iraq strategy.

Said Weldon, "Jack Murtha is a good friend and a strong supporter of America's military. A highly decorated Vietnam War veteran and senior member of Congress, Jack is a giant when it comes to tackling tough issues facing our uniformed men and women. His remarks about our troops in Iraq should not be criticized or used for political fodder. Nor should his convictions be attacked for partisan gain.”

Murtha proposed a gradual withdrawal, but Republicans in control changed it to an immediate withdrawal -- a grandstand resolution that aimed to embarrass Democrats and got the desired effect 403 opposed to 3 in favor. Now they can brag that the Democrats back the President's goals and post a victory in the banner of area of the FoxNews TV screen. The problem is that anyone who watched the Friday night debate heard the Republicans say: We must support the troops and fight terrorists there so we don't have to fight them here.

If this is the Republican goal then they must answer to questions:

1. Which terrorist leader will surrender to Bush on the deck of a US aircraft carrier, ending the war on terror?

2. If none surrenders and the war goes on with US troops having to take third, fourth and fifth rotations (because recruitment is running 10% short annually) at what point do we run out troops due to war fatigue, 1,000 deaths a year, and thousands more soldiers are blinded and maimed by improvised explosive devices?

Our national guard and soldiers belong at home guarding our shores and borders not in some distant land where they are sitting ducks for the radicals among the 45% of the Iraqi population that wants them out of there.

Hopefully when Weldon gets Rumsfeld to declassify Able Danger we will get to the bottom of these questions:

1. Why if, as the Republicans like to say, Clinton ignored the attacks on the Cole and the World Trade Center, did not the outraged Republican leadership under Bush and Rumsfeld not have Osama as their top priority?

2. Did Rumsfeld's discredited Pentagon aide, Douglas Feith, who hyped the Iraq war based on phony information that had been fed to Stephen Hayes in The Weekly Standard ignore what Able Danger found?

3. Why do Republicans claim the Congress had the same intelligence the White House had, when the President gets a Daily Intelligence Brief that Congress doesn't get to see, and in fact, Congress had to fight the White House to declassify the August 2001 brief that Condi Rice finally revealed said Osama wants to attack America?

On C-Span Saturday morning the guest was the 84 year old chief prosecutor of the Nuremberg trials who said the US used to have a containment policy, but this administration has taken the stance that to defend ourselves we must pre-emptively invade other countries. He said this excuse was used by the Germans to invade France, Poland, etc. He said as long as we glorify war as an alternative over the rule of law, we will always have wars.

Posted by: LetThemEatWords | Nov 20, 2005 3:28:03 PM

I am feeling better, the jints are gonna win.

Compelling post but wordy. I too think it's time to say we did our job and liberated you now take care of your own business. Like Murtha said I agree let's move our troops to Kuwait and help if called but it's time to go home. As Bush said in his campaign of 2000 we aren't in the nation building business.

Go Giants

Posted by: The Iceman | Nov 20, 2005 4:06:52 PM

Talk about long-winded! Can I please have the Monarch Notes version of that? On second thought, forget it.

Posted by: Black Irish | Nov 20, 2005 4:07:06 PM

What has become of the Coffee meister? I click on his link in my blogroll and come up with this:

Not Found

The requested URL / was not found on this server.

Is everything okay? I am bereft.

Posted by: Sissy Willis | Nov 20, 2005 4:12:01 PM

Sorry, too cold to play outside, so I had too much free time. I'll try to control my verbaciousness between now and April.

Posted by: LetThemEatWords | Nov 20, 2005 4:26:53 PM

Jeez, I thought that post was quite pithy. Keep it up, sez me.

Posted by: crank | Nov 20, 2005 5:58:39 PM


Posted by: Miss Martta | Nov 20, 2005 7:41:34 PM

You rock, Miss M

Posted by: The Iceman | Nov 20, 2005 7:47:10 PM

The Mounties are in the state finals against Morris Knolls. Does Baristanet have any interest? The Montclair gridironers have a long tradition of success.

Posted by: heaven | Nov 20, 2005 8:11:08 PM

What a SWEET victory for the G-men!!!


Posted by: chief | Nov 20, 2005 8:32:48 PM

So, WHO is "Sebastian Lago" - anyone know? Barista?

The guy is over-the-top sarcastic and it's funny tow atch him go on and on and on.

Posted by: butchcjg | Nov 20, 2005 9:29:40 PM

I would like to know the same thing, Butch. He's either the stupidest person on the face of the earth, or he's putting us on. I'm thinking the latter -- he cannot be for real. Nobody could be as much a toady for developers as he makes himself out to be. Unless, of course, he's Mayor Ed's alter ego. Boy, I'd sure like to have a look at those IP addresses...

Posted by: walleroo | Nov 20, 2005 10:47:52 PM

Apt for rent:


Posted by: butchcjg | Nov 20, 2005 11:36:06 PM

Nice apt. Not a bad price for 2 BR, either, for Montclair.

Posted by: Miss Martta | Nov 21, 2005 6:50:20 AM

Is it just me or does Belgiovine have the best fresh mozz around? I could probably eat 2 or 3 pounds of it in one sitting.


Posted by: grim | Nov 21, 2005 8:21:36 AM

What is being filmed at the GR Women's Club today? Does anyone know?

Posted by: Nancy | Nov 21, 2005 8:30:58 AM

Where's the best Black Friday shopping around Baristaville? Willowbrook? Paramus? Woodbury Commons? NY?

Posted by: Erin | Nov 21, 2005 8:31:57 AM

"Where's the best Black Friday shopping around Baristaville?"

Any place that has a sale going on. Check the local papers. Personally, I like Kohl's on Route 46. They ALWAYS have sales.

Posted by: Miss Martta | Nov 21, 2005 9:04:55 AM

I believe a public service announcement for diabetes with Mary Tyler Moore is being filmed at the GR Women's Club.

Posted by: Laura | Nov 21, 2005 9:30:23 AM

We have no reason to stay in Iraq. Mission accomplished, Bush got Saddam. Time to go home.

Posted by: lasermike026 | Nov 21, 2005 10:04:17 AM

Thanks, Martta. The apt is nice and huge. And, the best part is that you can leave your door at 10:15 to catch the 10:18 train. And, no parking probs.

Posted by: butchcjg | Nov 21, 2005 10:18:17 AM

'We have no reason to stay in Iraq. Mission accomplished, Bush got Saddam. Time to go home"

OMG...I agree with lasermike.

Posted by: The Iceman | Nov 21, 2005 10:27:55 AM

Breaking News: Hell has just frozen over...

Posted by: Miss Martta | Nov 21, 2005 10:39:31 AM

I have felt all along that our military mission was in Afghanistan and not Iraq. But I have supported the President's mission. Unfortunately, he and his planners didn't think past what would happen after Saddam was ousted. We have been there long enough to train their troops. Lets pull out to Kuwait and sit on the sidelines so they can fight for their democracy themselves.

Don't worry Miss M, I still wear my Conservative stripes with pride...and not the prejudice of the many of the ranking Dems like Howard Dean.

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