November 4
...serving up your daily dish.
From the Corzine for Governor site, senior advisor Tom Shea anticipates negative ads (duh!) in the final two weeks in the campaign:
And we expect right-wing Republicans to do what they always do when they’re down: distort, smear, and lie. Doug Forrester was the first candidate to go negative in this race, both in the brutal Republican primary and against Jon Corzine.
Meanwhile, the sidebar on Corzine's site gives a plug to Baristanet (sort of), where it mentions:
New Jersey has some great local blogs written by citizens all over the state. Here’s a smattering of what New Jerseyans are talking about...
Checking the link they chose shows they're not following us all that closely. Irises in autumn?
Corzine has taken negative campaigning to new heights.
Not a morning goes by watching the news on misc. channels do I not see negative ad after negative ad aimed at Forrester.
While I have seen the negative ads aimed at Corzine as well, it's not with nearly the same quantity.
Will we ever get a camaign where both sides say what THEY can and will do and not just crap all over the other guy?
Posted by: Kurt's Krap | Nov 4, 2005 10:06:19 AM
Someone asked yesterday about Corzine and corruption.
Why does anyone think there is any difference between McGreedy and GWB, save a gay lover (let's not get started with the whole Bushie and Brownie thing)?
The problem in NJ or the corruption in NJ, as in many cases Washington are the number of patronage jobs. The rewards to the campaign/partyworkers. Bid or no bid contracts.
In NJ, the governor appoints a HUGE number of employees, not including the members of commissions boards and the like. The latter don't seem to get salaries, but everyone seems to get a pension. Why pay now when we can pay later?
How is this different from some of the troubles the Bush Administration has?
Corzine and Forrester may be wealthy and while it seems they should own the county party leaders, I mean they paid for them, in truth, they are indebted to the party hacks who will be calling in chips before the election is over. Government jobs will go to the victors, never to the best qualified.
Brownie; McGreedy's 'Commerce" commissioner, a pastor with his hand in the till; isn't our state attorney general a bad Newark cop? And if Forrester wins, what makes anyone think things will be any different, it will be Republican hands in OUIR tax money, not Democratic hands. Whoo-Hoo!
Forrester, Corzine, Bush, McGeedy, what we need are actual leaders.
Posted by: Kevin Lee Allen | Nov 4, 2005 10:12:38 AM
Well said, Kevin, but then who do YOU recommend we vote for?
Posted by: Miss Martta | Nov 4, 2005 10:15:40 AM
Corzine is a great candidate and will be great governor. He is so talented and smart. NJ will enjoy great benefit when he becomes Governor.
Posted by: lasermike026 | Nov 4, 2005 10:23:14 AM
Marta,
I think we need a huge cry or outrage and eventually for the people to rise up against the party leaders.
I am frankly convinced that Corzine will win, I plan to support a third party candidate, if only in the hope of broadening the debate.
There is a threshold of votes that gives candidates a seat at the table. a vote for a Green Party candidate (forget the philosophy) brings them closer to getting their next gubernatorial candidate invited tot he debates. The same with the Libertarians. And a vote for any of the single issue candidates sends a message about that cause.
This year, the People have already lost this election. Voting against both parties reduces the margin of victory and plurality.
We the People will have to suffer with the consequences of the high bidder. Now is the time to focus on the NEXT election. And hope the winner does not do too much damage in the next 2-4 years.
Although we go through governors in NJ like no other (6 in the past 8 years), we are likely stuck with the next governor for at least four. We will probably need to clean the legislative house in 2 years.
Posted by: Kevin Lee Allen | Nov 4, 2005 10:28:35 AM
Kevin,
I agree with that more parties would be better. I think that happens by people meeting regularly, gathering data, building a platform, and funding a party and a campaign.
This election is a small slice of time. A unique moment. When you got into that voting booth your should ask your self who is the state going to benefit from. Who could harm the state and the people. Who has more experienced and better qualifications.
I my mind, Jon Corzine passes the test and gets an A+.
Posted by: lasermike026 | Nov 4, 2005 10:45:17 AM
"And we expect right-wing Republicans to do what they always do when they’re down:"....I hate the bigotry of the Democratic party. They use the same tired brush and always snark away at us that all Republicans are right-wing...I am sick and tired of the whiny, tree-huggin, quiche eating, PC bigots who pretend to hold a moral high ground...oops, now I sound like one of the ilk I am railing against!
Posted by: The Iceman | Nov 4, 2005 11:25:57 AM
An example of true bigotry would be Katrina and New Orleans.
Posted by: lasermike026 | Nov 4, 2005 11:35:11 AM
"An example of true bigotry would be Katrina and New Orleans.
That moronic evil genius Bush and his hurricane generator -- whatever shall we do?
Posted by: Appletony | Nov 4, 2005 11:42:20 AM
Appletony,
Bush and his appointees are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people in the gulf coast. People that were too poor and too black. You saw it on your TV. Believe your eyes. It happened on the republicans watch. What are you going to do about it.
As it relates to NJ and this election, do you want that kind of leadership here?
Posted by: lasermike026 | Nov 4, 2005 11:53:53 AM
Lasermike,
How do you respond to this debaucle by your sanctimonious Dem:
Maryland Lt. Governor Michael Steele (who happens to be a black conservative) has been subjected to racially-tinged attacks during his campaign for the U.S. Senate. He has had Oreos tossed at him and been called "Uncle Tom". Top Maryland Democrats refuse to condemn the attacks.
Nope, no bigotry here, huh little Laser.
Posted by: The Iceman | Nov 4, 2005 11:55:31 AM
lasermike026
Bush and his appointees are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people in the gulf coast.
I can't remember but wasn't there also some kind of storm down there. Yeah, thats right, it flooded a portion of our country larger than England. STFU, the weather is directly responsible, the same way you are responsible for lowering the level of discourse everytime you touch your keyboard.
Posted by: Eddie Shore | Nov 4, 2005 12:03:05 PM
Ice, I know all republicans are not hard right, but that who's running the GOP at the moment so how do you expect to escape that image? With folks like Rove around the terms "distort (Swift Boating John Kerry), smear ("John McCain is nuts"), and lie (Valerie Plame)" seem quite accurate.
Hey, I love quiche, but I don't claim the moral high ground. But at this point, with all the various scandals (Plame, Delay, Frist, Gitmo/Ghirab) the GOP have dug themselves a big enough hole that it puts the Dems on the high ground by default.
Posted by: State Street Pete | Nov 4, 2005 12:05:31 PM
Pete you've got a point. The grownups are back in charge and, just as we said 30 years ago, apparently, you can't trust anyone over 30. The grownups, busy throwing key parties for their cronies, must assume they'll all have Alzheimers in any case by the time the consequences come back to bite us.
Given their affection for the benefits of legacy, however, I find it hard to accept that they don't at very least want to save a little slice of the good life for their kids. Must be Oedipal.
Back in my dad's day, leaving a solid estate was considered "what a man did" but these guys are squandering it all like so many nouveaux riches or drunks.
Well, my dad was also the kind of Republican who thought his church was his own business and a pregnant teen darn well better trot her trampy heiny down to the doctor tout ensuite, so I guess it's good he's dead now, huh?
Posted by: viveverite | Nov 4, 2005 12:29:22 PM
The question is not who is responsible for the hurricanes that struck the Gulf Coast and Flordia?
But rather why did the Bush administration respond so inefficiently in the aftermath via FEMA and the Office of Homeland Security?
Four years after the teorrist attacks of 9/11/01 our Federal government is no better prepared to respond to either a natural or man-made disaster in a coordinated manner.
Just "Duck and Cover" my friend!
Posted by: Franklin | Nov 4, 2005 12:29:51 PM
The confirmed death toll stands at 1,302 mainly from Louisiana (1,056) and Mississippi (228).
Its a crime.
Posted by: lasermike026 | Nov 4, 2005 1:24:15 PM
say it say it -IT WAS A CONSPIRACY-the Hurrican was a manipulation by the the government to purposely kill the poor, black, gay and partying population-YAWN...
enough i don't hear anyone crying in Jersey about their mold filled properties-FEMA always has been a big loser-bottom line-you can say what you want about government -but all government works with the if it ain't broke this very moment lets use the dollars to line our pockets-
-could they have done it better-of course-
but the low life mentality of the New Orleans government (no not corrupt at all) only complicated it-
and as for "so what the guy had aa affair" well your tax dollars are at work when every level of security is standing around outside the Motel 8's while these cheating liars get it on--and compromise these people's career's having to keep their dirty secrets
-and laser i guess your still responding from New Orleans your concern is so tangible that i just know your there helping with the clean up-
as far as the election is concerned-until someone dares to move the lever to a dark horse- nothing will change-it is here and now the voters of New Jersey should chance the vote to someone other than these 2 candidates--do something radical (flip a switch)since it is lose lose situation here anyway--
you know Mr. Leak was very influencial in helping the Clinton's get off on White water scadel--if you don't get it they are all in bed with one another- you want change demand it-
wouldn't that be a big laugh if the 2 millionaires lose their shirts on this one--and some other party got the goods-we won't know until you flip that switch-
democratic high ground please-Hilary is still behind the war effort-Ted Kennedy omg "high" ground yeah okay-the list goes on-both sides should be ashamed-
Posted by: cstarling | Nov 4, 2005 1:25:03 PM
Pete,
In June of '03 (a month before Joe Wilson wrote his Times Op Ed piece) Joe gave a speech and noted in the bio that his wife worked for the CIA.
The terrorists in Abu Ghraib want to see as many infidels killed as possible...remember 9/11 when almost 3,000 innocents were killed...and you want us to feel bad that some terrorists were tortured? I'm not proud of it but I am not gonna lose sleep.
As a left-over from the 60's, I hated Nixon and his administration with every fiber of my being. And don't think I can't see that Bush is running his White House in the same paranoid manner. But I do see the Democratic party as apologists who wish the world was a certain way and blindly go about ignoring evil.
Feeding the terrorists 3 meals a day and showing them Oprah isn't going stop the hate.
Posted by: The Iceman | Nov 4, 2005 1:35:47 PM
cstarling, these people are dead and for no good reason! They died because incompetence of this administration. You are heartless.
iceman, I hope for a day when today's war criminals face justice, legally and correctly.
Posted by: lasermike026 | Nov 4, 2005 1:52:03 PM
Lasermike
they died because of their own incompetence, and being dependant on the state for everything.
and where do you get thousands from? boy you are as dumb as the the next one.
Posted by: ommfg | Nov 4, 2005 2:14:31 PM
OK, at least I know what I'm dealing with. I'll have to remember that quote. Would someone stop playing the scary music behind me.
I know this is the Halloween season but come on, who is this really. Dick Chaney, is that you. I would know that Darth Vadar breath anyway. Come on say it once for me, "You lack of faith disturbes me."
Posted by: lasermike026 | Nov 4, 2005 2:33:33 PM
OK, OK, I'll be Obi Wan. "It felt as if a thousand voices cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced."
Posted by: lasermike026 | Nov 4, 2005 2:36:11 PM
Is that Lasermike026 or Dorothy Parker? Now do Bush, Hitler right? You rule.
/Sarcasm off
Posted by: Eddie Shore | Nov 4, 2005 2:50:56 PM
these people are dead and for no good reason! They died because incompetence of this administration. You are heartless
Shame on you! You are happy to spout a blood libel just to fuel partisanship. They died because there was a terrible hurricane with unexpected flooding. Local authority completely collapsed along with some levees (which, in themselves might not have been built to plan due to corruption). There are plently of valid questions to raise and arguments to make, pro and con, regarding the role of the federal government in disaster response. You make none of them. You are an example of what has gone wrong with discourse in our body politic. Stop the mindless cheerleading and accusations of murder (!), and marshall some real arguments based in thought more than emotion.
Posted by: Appletony | Nov 4, 2005 3:05:45 PM
