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Bill Pascrell: FEMA is Dysfunctional

Bill_pascrell Baristaville Congressman Bill Pascrell, just interviewed on MSNBC about the situation in New Orleans, proclaimed that  "FEMA is dysfunctional." Pascrell serves on the House Homeland Security Committee. Separately, the Congressman has asked for an investigation into gasoline price gouging (pdf file). A price-gouging reporting form is available on Pascrell's website.

September 2, 2005 in Controversy | Permalink


It is time to take action here in Baristaville.....

Posted by: Franklin | Sep 2, 2005 3:58:38 PM

Awesome. I am against paying a lot for stuff too. Way to take a strong position. Lets make gas free!

Posted by: Eddie Shore | Sep 2, 2005 4:59:28 PM

How sick how our society become. Tragedy strikes and it's gotta turn political. It is always someone else's fault. These poor folks down in the south need help, not a bunch of finger pointing by politicians. Oh I forgot it's Bush's fault...

Posted by: jmo | Sep 2, 2005 5:28:38 PM

Whose fault is it that gas stations - in some cases - are violating the law by raising gas prices more than once within a 24 hour period.

Are the gas companies taking advantage of a national cirsis?

Shouldn't gas companies be held accountable and expected to abide by laws and regulations that govern their operations?

This initiative is one small step in the right direction!

Posted by: Franklin | Sep 2, 2005 6:02:46 PM

The answer is that if you own the gas you can charge what you want for it. I think it's unfair that you won't sell me your car for fifteen dollars. I need it more than you comrade. To each according to his need, no?

I would like to qualify that, it was a little flip. Obviously gouging in a crisis is unconscienable, but there is no crisis in NJ. You can buy gas wherever you would like and if its too expensive one place you should go someplace else, or consider walking and saving the environment.

Posted by: Eddie Shore | Sep 2, 2005 8:39:47 PM

Jerry, this goes way beyond politics. The lack of response of the Bush administration is OUTRAGEOUS and CRIMINAL. The cutting of FEMA funds that would have shored up the infrastructure, the total denial that GLOBAL WARMING is a prime factor in causing this catastrophe, the diversion of National Guardsmen to a war based on lies and greed, the long delays in response, leaving people to die needlessly, the idiotic statements that "we never saw this coming" when in 2000 FEMA listed this as one of the 3 most likely nightmare disasters (terrorist attack in NYC and SF earthquake being the others)-- all adds up to EXTREME INCOMPETENCE and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE. They do not give a RAT'S ASS about anyone poor or black-- they can all roast in hell as far as they're concerned. But, meanwhile, he has promised that TRENT LOTT'S house will be rebuilt?!?

WTF is the Dept of Homeland Security been doing for the last 4 years? What if this was a terrorist attack? We are totally unprepared, and completely vulnerable.

I did not think I could be any more OUTRAGED at this hideous regime, but my revulsion has now escalated several orders of magnitude.

Posted by: latebloomer | Sep 2, 2005 8:54:19 PM

Jerry, hon, what IS political to you? What's more political than a political leader's failure to perform the duty that the people elected him to perform? What's more political than our publicly funded federal department letting hundreds (who knows how many?) die because of their lack of action? (And if they can't take care of a situation they knew about a few days in advance, how the hell would they respond to an unannounced terrorist attack!?)

Surely one should be able to depend on our government (that takes a big chunk of our paychecks) to keep them from being stuck on their rooftop with a hungry belly and parched mouth because they haven't had food or water for 140 hours. Protecting us and providing disaster relief are two very basic fundamental duties of the government.

The great Audre Lorde said it best, "The personal IS political."

Posted by: butchcjg | Sep 2, 2005 9:41:49 PM

It's very simple: we don't have a plan.

Posted by: the summer of noise | Sep 2, 2005 10:01:09 PM

Uh, "Franklin".....

Posted by: cathar | Sep 2, 2005 10:22:40 PM

Very well said, both latebloomer and butchcjg.

Posted by: Montclair Lover | Sep 2, 2005 10:24:23 PM

whoever said it is illegal to raise gas prices more than once in 24 hours?

Nonetheless, now is not the time to point fingers, now is the time to fix shit.

That is not to acknowledge frustration, well not to acknowledge OUR frustration, but rather the frustration of those affected.

What is done is done, focus on the people on the ground and let's get them out of there.

There will be time later to address what was done right and was was done wrong. The key will be to see that it does not happen again.

And it may, this is the middle of the season and NYC sits on a fault line.

Posted by: Kevin Lee Allen | Sep 2, 2005 10:32:10 PM

Terms like "this hideous regime" hardly advance rational debate. And people who maintain that "the personal is political" should really be asked to explain what the devil that means. Plus how far they'd really like to extend such an assertion.

Such anger should be both transferred into communal emergy to alleviate the situation, and brought down upon the looters and assorted lowlifes loose in New Orleans (but only NO, it seems so far) who are making life even more miserable than it otherwise is for their fellow citizens.

Kevin Lee Allen, I've never heard that the Ramapo fault is all that "wobbly" the last few years. If you're curious, however, it runs right through a small Morris County park in Pequannock off Rte. 23. You can stand right astride the fault, as so many picture takers do. Just try not to rock the cleft too hard....

Posted by: cathar | Sep 2, 2005 10:55:21 PM

You're right, cathar, I misspoke.I meant to say "heinous."

Posted by: latebloomer | Sep 2, 2005 10:59:16 PM

Which means you're still in complete error, your lateness.

Posted by: cathar | Sep 2, 2005 11:18:50 PM

Homeland Security and FEMA stumbled badly in New Orleans. The response should have been more efficient, of course that's usually the case with government responses to anything. With that said it has to be added that the local and LA state governments fell completely on their faces prior to the storm hitting. Nothing short of a generation's worth of engineering would have prevented the damage from a storm this big and even that's doubtful. They knew what could occur. They ignored it and hoped for the best. They left somewhere from hundreds to a thousand ICU patients in the city's hospitals. When the main and back-up power died, so did the patients. Inexcusable. In other areas (Fla) they have and implement plans to move these people to safety.

The people there now should have left. They gambled and lost. A percentage of them didn't have the means to leave. Once again the local gov't failed in their responsibilities. Look at this picture:
A major asset for both pre and post storm completely wasted due to the local government not having a plan or not implementing what they did plan.

After most disasters there is some infrastructure for the relief forces to use. This time it is not the case. No power. No water. No sewage. Limited communications. Limited roads. One runway available as of Thursday with little ATC.

There are plenty of troops (my apologies to all that wish to erroneously blame the Iraq deployments) and civilian workers available. Moving, feeding and providing them shelter in this environment is a challenge. However the challenge shall be met as it always is because that is who we are. It will not happen because of a government or political party. It will happen because of our spirit, our strength and our love. Government can provide the framework but the people will do the hard work of the recovery. Be optimistic. Be generous. Be united. Pray don't whine.

BTW if you didn't already gather these comments are New Orleans centric it being the harshest problem. Seems to be going smoother in other parts of the Gulf Coast.

Posted by: stealth | Sep 3, 2005 2:32:04 AM


There you go again- It's all about you.

People are dying but you want to discuss gas prices and who is violating the law.

Posted by: exit_151 | Sep 3, 2005 4:44:50 AM

Good morning exit_151.

Evidently you haven't done your homework.

If you check other topics on BARISTA you will notice a stream of MY postings re: where to send donations to assistance the recovery effort and information about where to locate missing family and love ones.

BTW - the orginal subject of this stream of postings was Congressman Bill Pascrell's call for an investigation into gasoline price gouging.

Posted by: Franklin | Sep 3, 2005 7:14:22 AM


To assist you in your research check out MY postings under the following BARISTA subject headings:

September 2:

- Help for Katrina Victims

September 1:

- Lemonade for Lousiana
- Civics Lessonss from Hell
- Could it Happen Here?

Posted by: Franklin | Sep 3, 2005 7:28:04 AM

As incredible as it might seem to some of Barista's prolific posters, you are not the spokespersons for the entire 8th district, and Pascrell's action on gas prices and gouging is in response to constituents who have contacted the congressman with their opinions on the subject.

Posted by: Democrat in the 8th District | Sep 3, 2005 8:14:22 AM

How incompetent is the mayor of New Orleans? He left all of the city school buses in their parking lot when he could have sent them thoughout the impoverished areas of the city to evacuate the poorer citizens. Instead he rails about the incompetence of the Fed response (which is correct) and doesn't do anything. We need more space to later to discuss the buffoon masquerading as the Governor.


Posted by: John L. Farrell | Sep 3, 2005 9:26:57 AM

John - Why was FEMA gutted under Bush ??
Why was money pulled away from levee repair to fund a dubious war overseas ??

Why the hell did Bush wait nearly two days - where the hell was our President ??

Bush proposes that America be taught about intelligent design ???? Hell, He and his administration can't even figure out the meaning of "intelligent response" !!!

Posted by: RightSaidFred | Sep 3, 2005 10:00:57 AM


Yes, I have seen you post the same posting in quite a few discussion places.

There's no need to list all of your identical recent postings, or do you need me to proof them and point out typos and made up words, as I've done for you on other occasions?

We already have that list of where/who to donate to and have donated. Now most of us are heading/have headed over to Costco to buy water to be shipped to New Orleans and are trying to figure out how many refugees we can fit into that spare room.

You should check out the Montclair Adult School for a reading class. The original thread of this stream is/was "Bill Pascrell: FEMA is Dysfunctional".

You have gone off on a sub-thread, yet again and your narcissism is showing.

Bye Bye Franklin, we're not going to follow you down that rabbit hole.

Posted by: exit_151 | Sep 3, 2005 10:04:37 AM

exit 151:

Get a life or a hobby!

Posted by: Franklin | Sep 3, 2005 10:18:34 AM

OH MY GOD. Shut up already, all of you. People are dying as the city burns. SHUT UP. The time to debate all this stuff is later. Right now, people need to focus on ways to help.

Posted by: Daniella | Sep 3, 2005 10:18:51 AM

never mind. I'm sorry. You have a right to discuss what you want. I just get so frustrated watching everyone discussing this stuff when people are dying. I'm just on edge. Ignore me, ok?

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