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Live Blogging Katrina
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As of midnight, the city of New Orleans was standing, and there were bloggers and forum commenters still filing. NOLA, the New Orleans equivalent of NJ.com, chats here. Big easy bloggers still posting at this Live Journal site.

In a post that sounds eerily familiar in tone, a poster on the Mandeville board writes:

The forum will cease to exist after Katrina and the waves wipe Mandeville off the face of the earth. I guess everyone will have to find something else to whine about since the Mandeville (i.e. Fire District 4) forum will no longer have a topic associated with it!

The National Weather Service is looking for the worst.

Fair warning: when the big one comes to Baristaville, the entire Barista team will be blogging through the night to give you up-to-the-minute coverage ... from Pennsylvania.

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kept praying all day yesterday-while attending a five year olds burthday party--that new orleans would be spared-tsunami- while not necessarily not in terms of actual conditions --but the problems following could still be as devestating-

-there but for the grace of God go us--

my husband just told me the Superdome is leaking where over 10 thousand people are since they couldn't evacuaute------------

sadness fills me today-for these americans....

Posted by: cstarling | Aug 29, 2005 9:08:14 AM

What does their being American have to do with it?

Posted by: Chris | Aug 29, 2005 11:10:57 AM

because as American we forget that other American suffer the same tragic events that occur in 3rd world countries-and we take for granted that some how because we are in America that eveything will just work out ok for us--when in fact that is not the case...no other country will be sending their dollars here to assist in our rebuilding of a state that will be devestated if not lost for good--no one will be sending monies here to rebuild what this or other cathastrophies have wrought---will they? only other Americans.

Posted by: cstarling | Aug 29, 2005 12:58:56 PM

"no other country will be sending their dollars here to assist in our rebuilding of a state that will be devestated if not lost for good--no one will be sending monies here to rebuild what this or other cathastrophies have wrought---will they? only other Americans."

I imagine you are wrong.

Posted by: Kevin Lee Allen | Aug 29, 2005 1:38:34 PM

kevin when you find the countries and the numbers let me know

Posted by: cstarling | Aug 29, 2005 2:45:33 PM

and when you say the red cross- didn't it take numerous attempts before they even released monies here after 9-11

Posted by: cstarling | Aug 29, 2005 2:47:25 PM

...i am not heartless- i truely believe all human life to be precious- but i find that home is where charity begins....and often resent that Americans suffer due to attention given to "trendier" disaster relief---when on our on homefront we suffer the consequences of nature-disease and hunger

Posted by: cstarling | Aug 29, 2005 4:51:04 PM

Well, cstarling, Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, has offered aid, including cheap gas, to those affected by the hurricane, especially the poor.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=152850

CARACAS (AFP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez offered to send food and fuel to the United States after the powerful Hurricane Katrina pummeled the US south, ravaging US crude production.

The leftist leader, a frequent critic of the United States and a target himself of US disapproval, said Venezuela could send aid workers with drinking water, food and fuel to US communities hit by the hurricane.

"We place at the disposition of the people of the United States in the event of shortages -- we have drinking water, food, we can provide fuel," Chavez told reporters.

Chavez said fuel could be sent to the United States via a Citgo refinery that has not been affected by the hurricane. Citgo is owned by Venezuela's state-owned oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA).

Posted by: latebloomer | Aug 29, 2005 10:42:04 PM

And look- he wants to provide aid to our poor!

As the Bushies turn us into a third-world country, maybe we can get lots more foreign aid!!

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1738

More details provided on Chavez's offer to help U.S. poor

Venezuela's CITGO to Provide Cheap Gas for U.S. Hospitals, Nursing Homes and Schools

Caracas, Venezuela. August 28, 2005 (VenezuelAnalysis.com).- Rafael Ramirez, president of Venezuela's oil company PDVSA, offered some details of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's offer to provide cheaper gasoline and heating oil to U.S. poor communities.

Speaking shortly after a press conference held by President Chavez and U.S. Reverend Jesse Jackson, Ramirez said that CITGO Petroleum Corp., the wholly owned subsidiary of PDVSA, is currently refining up to 664.000 barrels of oil through the refineries it owns and operates in the United States.

Venezuela is the world's fifth largest oil exporter and the fourth largest supplier of oil to the United States. Venezuelan oil accounted for 12% of U.S. oil imports.

Ramirez said that under the Venezuelan government plan, CITGO will set aside up to 10% of its refined oil products to be sold directly to organized poor communities, and institutions in the U.S. without intermediaries.

The plan calls for the sale of heating oil and gasoline to hospitals, nursing homes, schools and organized poor communities in U.S. soil, according to Ramirez.


Posted by: latebloomer | Aug 29, 2005 10:46:24 PM

thank you -latebloomer for the information-let's see how this plays out--

Posted by: cstarling | Aug 30, 2005 8:28:44 AM

Your lateness, as usual in reply to your curious form of left-wing screechiness edged with hysteria, I have to chidingly say, come on, now. 664,000 barrels of oil really isn't that much.

It may sound like it to you, but it isn't. According to the American Petroleum Institute, US imports PER DAY for August averaged out to 13,364,000 barrels. And in May 2005, the last month such figures are currently available for, Venezuela in fact sent us 1,572,000 barrels per day. So what you're saying is that this Communist sympathizer and tyrant is offering us free or at low cost less than half of what he sells us on a good day. Such magnanimity. Venezuela was during this month also the 2nd largest supplier of oil and oil products to the US (at 13% of total imports, 7.8% of domestic product supplied), edging out Mexico and Saudi Arabia but well behind Canada (and, of course, behind the individual OPEC and Persian Gulf countries when considered as groups).

As for those aid workers Chavez has promised, well, the "Sallies" in LA alone, with a membership there of something like .001 of its population (ncludings its officers, soldiers, adherents and volunteers) among Louisiana's overwhelmingly Catholic population, has already noted that it is prepared to serve 400,000 meals per day to those affected by Katrina. I doubt that a nation like Venezuela, with a population of around 25 million, could offer something even remotely similar to LA, let alone for any sustained time.

So you go on praisng Hugh Chavez if that's your thing, your lateness, I'm sure it meshes nicely with your politics. But it would also help if you were better informed about some facts of the situation. It does, however, figure that Jesse Jackson, with his long and boring history of cavorting with dictators, would leech onto this one.

Also, what on earth are "organized poor communities?" That phrase alone sounds like something Jesse Jackson dreamed up and would finagle behind, it would go so nicely with his domestic efforts at corporate extortion via PUSH.

Posted by: cathar | Aug 30, 2005 1:53:39 PM

The point is that it's a furrin' country offering to lend a hand to the magnanimous yet downtrodden (12% poor!) and hurricane-swept US of A -- and also that the story goes against the common perceptions that no country but America helps others and that no one at all helps us .

Cathar, is that how we should give thanks -- by complaining that the gift given isn't enough?

Latebloomer, thanks for those pieces. The story that began with that idiot Pat Robertson just keeps getting richer. I was in stitches when I read that a White House spokesman issued a statement that the United States had no intention of carrying out what Robertson suggested. (PS: Robertson's said so many loony things that I do believe he's been "touched" by God.)

Posted by: Chris | Aug 30, 2005 7:26:17 PM

well so far the only coverage i could find on this offer is in bernama and venezuelan news...

like i said lets see how this plays out.

i know there are people who make contributions --outside of this country-there is some little woman in Ireland probably for an example right now-or the like- writing a check and sending it off--in fact i am certain of it-

-however when we offer money to countries and people have the nerve to question the amount which they did when we sent funds for the tsunami --

it irks me--okay-and you know that was my point--as for Chevas (who is not altogether beyond reproach for the treatment of his own people-although there has been some improvement)--

we'll see how this improves relations or opens up any communication between us--

like Cathar pointed out certain wording obscures the sincerity of his "generosity".

Posted by: cstarling | Aug 30, 2005 8:57:54 PM

Chris, I think you missed the point, that a propaganda coup for Venezuela's embattled prexy and Jesse Jackson isn't much of a "gift" at all. It simply suits her lateness's hatred of the US government, often expressed here, to claim it is. Which is whe she revealed this info above as if it were a fifth Gospel.

But a half day's production, from a state-owned refinery? This may give Jesse street cred at the next sitdown of the poverty pimps who constitute his posse, but the rest of us would do well to remain wayyyyyy wary of that one. Or as they said post-the-fall-of-Troy, beware of gifts bearing Greeks.

Posted by: cathar | Aug 30, 2005 11:00:22 PM

still no official word-and the trojan horse analogy crossed my mind as well ---how much money did we fork over again for the tsunami? 950 million?

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