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August  29

Gotta Love Giambi ... Or Do You?

Jason Giambi had a great game in the Bronx yesterday, even if he was off the juice. Over at Jersey Perspective, Sam says it's time to forgive the guy his steroid trespasses and cheer him again. What do you think?

August 29, 2005 in Controversy | Permalink

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totally disagree, because as was the case with Palmeiro, Giambi could have tested psoitive for steroids and his case may still be wrapped up with an arbitrator.

Palmeiro tested positive in May, but this went unannounced until early August.

Posted by: MyManMisterC | Aug 29, 2005 2:33:16 PM

let 'em all take steroids.
if they're going to be paid millions, they might as well perform artificially superhuman-like!

Posted by: butchcjg | Aug 29, 2005 3:39:00 PM

Lets go Jason!!!!!!

Posted by: lc | Aug 29, 2005 4:04:41 PM

Call me jaded (or call me a Mets fan), but I would take odds that he's back on the juice. I'd hope that he's not, but all we've seen of late would tend to contradict this. Let him pass a drug test (beyond the one the league provides which is not comprehensive), and I'll cheer out loud.

Posted by: Bonehead | Aug 29, 2005 4:42:46 PM

Well, then, test Jacobs while your at, as he just had a super-human outburst.

Posted by: lc | Aug 29, 2005 4:56:32 PM

If he hits a big home run to beat the Red Sox, maybe.

Posted by: Ed Remsen | Aug 29, 2005 5:26:49 PM

Thanks for the link, Barista.

To Bonehead - check out the post linked to above. I don't think Giambi has the guts to get back on 'roids. What with the booing, the questions from reporters, and the discerning eye he plays under, I think Giambi has to know that he's completely done if he gets caught for real.

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29, 2005 6:02:20 PM

Who cares! I think the President is juiced up. Hopefully Armstrong wasn't. Cheney looks like he could use some steroids. Maybe they should put it in our drinking water along with lead, pcb's and mercury.....wait, their already there! Steroids for all, not just millionaires!

Posted by: Dr. PAZoid | Aug 29, 2005 8:13:12 PM

The Major Leagues entered the "live ball era" roughly 80 years ago, when the organization decided to wind the ball tighter and let sluggers like Babe Ruth attract more fans by hitting more home runs. As the Wall Street Journal editorial page wrote, "we are now entering the live player era".

Welcome it, don't ignore it.

- Jersey Perspective

Posted by: Jack | Aug 29, 2005 8:17:35 PM

Jack - Who's ignoring it? Tightening the baseball is, in my opinion, a more legitimate form of deligitimizing the home run than individual players using steroids is. The same goes for spitballs. The difference between the things I shrug at and those I scowl at? There's something romantic about the spitball, or the Vaseline ball or any other "corrupted" pitch, in baseball history. There's nothing at all romantic about a player injecting steroids into his rear end in a bathroom stall.

In a way, it's the difference between something that hurts (and I mean hurts physically, not statistically) and something that doesn't. For me, there's a major difference between the "Live Ball Era" and the WSJ-invented "Live-Player Era." (I did enjoy that editorial a few weeks back, though.)

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29, 2005 8:47:54 PM

Typical idiotic sports fans. When Giambi was hitting .175, Yankess fans couldn't call WFAN fast enough to argue he was an embarassment to Yankess history, a cheater, an embarassment, a liar, and worse. Now that he's hitting again they cheer him everytime he leaves the dugout and can't kiss his arse fast enough. Pathetic.

Posted by: MONTCLAIR_IS_CRAZY | Aug 29, 2005 10:04:15 PM

It must be moral relativism time again. Would those who might accept Giambi now (provided he's still not using roids) be so forgiving of their own offspring if they were using to gain an "edge" of some sort for the coming fall sports seasons? Doesn't anyone wonder about the cumulative effects of such drugs, not merely that a former user might not be currently using?

I have read a few earnest defenses of steroid use lately, especially on libertarian web sites. (Indeed, where else?) But I've also seen guys, particularly my fellow bouncers years ago when I had that sort of part-time job, on steroids. They're not pleasant to be around, they're aggressive, touchy beyond belief and, in their "sane" periods, rightfully concerned about both diminished sexual potency and liver cancer.

So, if Giambi used, I have pity more than anything else for him. But an unforgiving sort. He had good years playing juiced, but he also said "screw you" to his own mental and physical health, and also to the concept of a level playing field. At the very least, I expect my prodigals to act repentant.

Posted by: cathar | Aug 29, 2005 10:44:17 PM

I personally cant wait till the baseball season is over.

Much to do about nothing but overpaid men being paid big buck to play ball.

Just give me a sand lot....strike three you're outta here!

Posted by: Franklin | Aug 30, 2005 1:44:25 AM

two more HRs last night.

while i'm not a huge fan of him (i wish we held on to nick johnson) i fell like we owe him some faith. i don't think he's back on the juice, because it would just be silly to do so. besides, doesn't anyone else think he looks much different from when he was - he's much chubbier around the cheeks.

hopefully, this is a man who has seen the error of his ways and turned his life and career around.

innocent until proven guilty?

Posted by: jaded | Aug 30, 2005 12:03:43 PM

lets go jason!!!!

Posted by: lc | Aug 30, 2005 1:21:22 PM

okay for my Jersey Perspectives--lets say you go to the race track and you bet all of your hard earned money on a horse that you trained from birth to run the Kentucky derby---you do everything for this horse and this is your life---then you take that horse to the derby and you take second place.

later you find horse number one was given illegal performance enhancing drugs---what do you do?

Posted by: cstarling | Aug 30, 2005 2:40:36 PM

okay you take a child and invest everything you have in him and you teach him about morals and values-you educate him (or her) --you send them to the finest schools and you find out that he/she has a "God" given talent but is unable to do what he or she is meant to do unless they have to cheat to get it--where are the bounderies?--

why aren't there arrests--steroids are illegal- for some I guess not for others---come on--

why aren't you fans outraged--

I was put on steroids for a medical condition (I kept having an allergic reaction) I was on them for 10 days and I was out of my mind it reacted so poorly in my system --

they made me suicidal-raging- and in ten days i put on weight--I now put on my medical history that I am allergic to them and have discussed it with numerous doctors--personally i'd rather not have to go through that again.

Posted by: cstarling | Aug 30, 2005 2:58:19 PM

I say he's back on the juice. MLB is only allowed to test once a year, so maybe he's already been tested and went back on right after. Or perhaps he just decided he sucked so badly without the juice that he just should chance it and take the 10 days if/when they catch him.

This will continue to be a problem until there is a comprhensive testing program in place, with *serious* penalties, but the Players's Union will never voluntarily agree to that. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: bob | Aug 30, 2005 3:54:02 PM

I had a cat once on steroids, they apparently help in the healing. And I asked the vet and yep, he said they were pretty much just like one concoction weight lifters used. So I watched him for those 2 weeks he was juiced and damn if he didn't appear friskier and bigger, more muscular. Thank goodness he'd been neutered too (NEVER imagined I'd ever write those words), since I was kitten-sitting two females for a neighbor on vacation. I sure was relieved to take Chas off the juice once he'd healed.

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